vendredi 27 avril 2007

little paper planes + rachel salomon

Comment posted by
at 4/26/2007 9:46:00 PM

I have to agree pretty and yet complex paintings.

jeudi 26 avril 2007

The Insecticide Cheerleader Letters

a2 Some yo yo is sending insecticide laced letters to people in protest over the exploitation of scantily clad college cheerleaders.

So put on your criminal profile cap, and tell me about this person.This is an episode of the collegiate edition ofCSI: Genderville. Is this an over-the-top follower of my friends over at Feministing or outrage emanating from a cave in Pakistan?

The letters, which complained about television coverage of college cheerleaders, were sent to national networks and local affiliates as well as university athletic departments in Ohio, Michigan and Arizona.

Letters also were mailed to people in Oregon, Nevada, Arizona and throughout the Midwest, some with no connection to college sports.

Some were sent to people in Washington state,my old stomping ground.

Indeed it seems most of the letters have come out of Seattle and Portland. Hmmm--maybe some retro flannel-clad eco-lesbian OD'd on caffeine and went bat ass crazy.

But I doubt it.

The folks who get most alarmed about sexuality are usually a lot more concerned about gender relations--read that "oppression."

When the guys in the Muslim World want their women wrapped in creepy bee keeper outfits, I don't think the prevention offemale exploitation and objectification is foremost on their minds.

If you have any info, and are not a a no snitch Gangsta--a tip can be called in at 866-915-8299. They got a $5000 reward out there.

But, what I would like to hear is your take on the profile of this self-appointed avenger of womanhood.
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Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/26/2007 9:31:00 PM
Hmmm Becky. It's a tough decision. But I also really doubt that it would be a feminist or someone adhering to the principles of feminism. Isn't the whole point of feminism, theoretically anyway, to promote equality in all spheres of life- economic, social and political?

If so, I really doubt they would be trying to curtail the rights of women to speak and act as they please, by forcing them to cover up in a talibanesque manner. I'm sure some media outlets would love to pin the blame on overzealous feminazis, but I really believe they give them too much power.

Feminism as a movement to institute change is, i believe, becoming an endangered species. Sure, there are plenty of women out there who identify as being feminists, if pushed, but few who would want to be part of a large scale movement.

It may be our fault for trying to push one mind set and stifling diversity in opinion, in order to
showcase ourselves as a united and strong front, without alienating key allies. But we are endeavouring to change aspects of that.

We're trying to make the third wave movement more diversity-friendly here down under. I'm an American born Australian citizen
in my third year of uni and part of a women's group on campus. We
accomadate all types of people- gay, straight, anglo,asian, middle-eastern,women,men, believers, non believers and their various opinions. We encourage women to think independently and come up with their own opinions on various issues- whether that be a pro-life or a pro-choice position. We're old enough to realise that there may be fundamental differences between us and we know how to agree to disagree.

A lot of women i've talked to are apathetic about more important issues affecting women (such as domestic violence,rape,discrimination, affordable child care and the fact that Australia and America are the only two oecd countries in the world that don't offer paid maternity leave.)

Despite a healthy mixture of both a liberal and conservative climate, there is still sexism and homophobia on campus. So I don't think that is a polarising issue. When we have had women running for election on our student body(both conservative and liberal)they have had derogatory comments about them graffitiied all over the placewith use of the words "...is a fat, ugly b****/wh***/c**t" or "that so and so likes sucking c**k."

My gf, is of middle eastern origin and is a non practicing muslim. She is a very articulate, mostly soft spoken person, who is very passionate about women's issues all over the world. Recently, she took part in these elections, and although she got elected,due in part to heavyweight tactics and serious ambushing by our fellow women's campaigners(both male and female)to combat our detractors, she read all of the above comments about her written in various places. As well as the usual
homophobic ("..is just a dyke who fu*** girls")and racist comments
("go home terrorist") bullshit. But she stood strong throughout it all, and defended herself from vile attacks.

We've also had a couple of jerks picket our events with placards stating "no feminists on campus,"I guess it could be worse. Hell, in some places you could be arrested (eg. Iran)or killed (Afghanistan) for being a feminist. And as free women we have an obligation to help those women out. My personal favourite
slogan would have to be the very original "go back to being barefoot and bare breasted in the kitchen. Having kids and cooking. It's where you belong." No doubt the work of disgruntled misogynists who don't like to see females intrude into predominantly male territory.

In response, we've had a suffragette day-with women dressing
up and giving the original speeches the suffragettes gave, we've had handing out of dossiers on where to get information on violence,rape, safe sex, homophobia and
queer women issues etc, as well as drama and dance events extolling
these feminist issues and next week we're having a little forum on raunch culture-the pros and cons. Strangely, we've had people trashing our material for the above topics as well. I'd like to know how their mind works.

But i digress..so back to the topic. On the other hand, I believe there may be other possibilities you haven't mentioned. Sure, it could be some neanderthal Musilm guy, but i doubt many of them would reside in the places mentioned. It could very well have been a neanderthal from other faiths as well. It could also be some jealous, pissed off cheerleaders who didn't make the team.

Fox news does mention the possibility. You;ve probably read it, if not here it is.

"For the past 6-7 years, ESPN and its nationwide networks have exploited cheer/dance teams all across the country. They do this by parking their TV cameras on these women for their own personal ente

Comment posted by Endymion
at 4/26/2007 9:08:00 PM
46 year old female married to a guy who watches a lot fb, not from California or South, probably Wisconsin, Baptist or Pentecostal Holiness choir member, had something bad happen recently to close female relative, associates provocative attire with gender specific violence

Comment posted by Jon
at 4/26/2007 8:49:00 PM
I'm a bit confused on this persons motivation.Angered at sexual sensualism being restricted or inhibited?Details of the insecticide are not revealed here. I'll be handling some insecticide myself in a week to ten days and hate it.Dermal LD 50's (that's the lethal dose killing 50% of the rat's in mortality studies) for solid insecticides is much higher,((that means it takes a higher dose)) than liquids.Some solid insecticdes render painful skin reactions but are almost innert in toxicity to mammals while others are strong neurotoxins.My guess is the person is male, and is a big sports fan, and has some big gender stereotypes and believes in criminal violence to intimidate at the least and maybe worse.Not enough info on the active ingredients of the insecticde to detirmine the violence's intended level of harm or their occupation and training regarding the use ofpesticides.I don't believe in any form of violence accept in self-defense myself. I'm not a TV sports nut and can appreciate tastefully worn public female sensual attire. :)Intriguing none the less!

Comment posted by Goldy
at 4/26/2007 6:59:00 PM
I have stayed away from all criminal profiling tv shows... but I am guessing it's someone who didn't make the squad.

Liberty Dyke

a2I know many of you stop by here in an endeavor to waste time, or fill your work day.

Nobody knows better how to waste time than a gaggle of pop culture loving lesbians and bi girls. So I was not surprised to find a link to the Superhero creation tool on the AfterEllen Blog.

The tool is really quite inspired. And it is a real fun way to waste a few minutes making your very own custom superhero. You pick out everything from nose shape to undies.

I made Liberty Dyke, featured above. Her tongue is feared by the forces of stupidity and meanness, and beloved of grrls everywhere. The Uber-femme goes into Ninja mode at the mere mention of the DEA, ATF or IRS. Of course, her companion is a flying cat.

I don't know the origins of Liberty Dyke. Perhaps she was a liberal who took an economics class. Maybe a Republican who got busted. But her greatest success was explaining what libertarianism meant to some of the Knothead converts to the movement.

Like many newbies these were old time conservatives of the Idaho panhandle variety. They like liberty principles when it comes to firearms and taxes, but have a little trouble on things like same sex marriage.

Liberty Dyke explained to these relics that if libertarian principles were applied consistently, not only could theykeep their semi-automatics, there would be naked pot smoking lesbians frolicking on the shores of Lake Coeur d'Alene.

They thought they could get down with that.

Anyway, I hope some of you enjoy making your very own Superhero. If Blogspot was not so lame, it would be fun to make a gallery of Superheros in the comments section.

But if you make one, post it somewhere and let me know.

Liberty Dyke and I will check it out.
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Comment posted by Cascadia Girl
at 4/26/2007 10:56:00 PM
... and she's PINK!What's the name of her sidekick?

I'll have to think about what super powers Caped Cascadia would have.Hmmmm....

Comment posted by Dave
at 4/26/2007 5:04:00 PM
Atlanta is no more a part of Georgia than is Miami part of the South, with a bunch of qualifiers attached to both.

I didn't go and build my own at the sight, though I dearly wanted to.

My comment was actually directed at the libertarian discussion though I liked your construct.Again, nice stuff.

Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/26/2007 4:32:00 PM
I am real impressed, but not surprised, that two guys from Georgia have commented here:)


Comment posted by Endymion
at 4/26/2007 4:04:00 PM
O hades yeah.Of course, my superhero plays thirdbase for Arizona State.She wears number nine.Hit her 62nd rbi last weekend against the Beavers.

Comment posted by Dave
at 4/26/2007 1:42:00 PM
Good stuff.

smart memory art

Comment posted by lisa s
at 4/25/2007 11:53:00 PM

genius! [and i love the illustration]

Comment posted by ** Terramia **
at 4/26/2007 1:44:00 PM

This is totally adorable and utterly educational all at the same time. Who knew? Very clever...

Comment posted by IMEDAGOZE
at 4/26/2007 7:00:00 PM

Bookmarked! I wouldn't want to miss this one, it definitely makes learning more fun. Thanks, jan!

mercredi 25 avril 2007

RosieO'Donnell: Bad Role Model

a2 So Rosie O'Donnell is leaving The View.

I don't watch The View, so it really shouldn't matter, but I am a bit disappointed. I do find her obnoxious, and disagree with her about almost everything except family and gay/lesbian issues (and even there I was prepared to bitch slap her to kingdom come when she attacked my tweeny teeny heart throb, Kelly Ripa).

But, at this point in the game, I think any visibility is important, even if the lesbian on the bully pulpit does happen to be the most obnoxious dyke in the country. Andit was good for America to see a real lesbian, with all her faults. Bless Ellen--but she is just soooooooo nice.

And the fat issue was important for all women. Fat is a feminist issue.

But the main reason I am disappointed is that O'Reilly and Trump will perceive this as a victory. Bill will be characterizing it asa major win in the secular war--and Western Civilization is now a little bit safer.

The Erector will be validated in his perception that all Kelli needs is a guy who knows how to use his dick.

I really don't thinkABC forced her off the show. The ratings have been up dramatically. And that is all the suits really care about

Rosie is choosing to walk away from a fight. She is good at starting something, getting attention--and then she backs off. Isn't that just like a woman?

A guy or a bull dyke would have kept reaming those guys until they said Uncle, or at least laid off. Rosie did what we do all too often. And that is because women have a much better perception of what is important in life, than do men.

I believe that world view is as much to blame for the persistence of gender inequalityas is the Patriarchal hierarchy, the lack of an Equal Rights Amendmentor paid maternity leave.

Recently, there was a survey on women in the work force. We continue to lag far behind men. More women graduate from college than do men, and we have better grades. Nonetheless, starting salaries are lower, and the difference in pay schedule grows as the period of employment goes on.

The number of women in executive positions actually decreased from 15% to 14%.

Some of this is because women are way too nice--and afraid to demand that they be paid their worth. But it is more than that. There are things in life that are just more important than office politics and the corporate bottom line.

I suspect most women will always have a different value system. But,when we do decideto play the game (or have to in order to support our family), I don't like it when we get wimpy and walk away. The bullies see the blood, and it encourages them to continue in their Neanderthal ways.

Rosie is setting a bad example for all women.
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Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/26/2007 1:02:00 PM
Michael-Ann, I have no idea what people mean when they say "real world"--but most often it means lets eject thinking from the equation.

I hardly think this post was "academic"--it was really pretty much on the level of People magazine, with an idea thrown in--that idea being that women should stand up to bullying.


Comment posted by Michael-Ann
at 4/26/2007 12:18:00 PM
Where is this place "real world" of which you say the problem solving is a-happening non-stop? And how did the good people of this place determine what the solutions were?

Hmmm..Perhaps like Vulcans, they are much more advanced than earthlings in that logic and common sense are the bulk of their thought processes leaving the problems and resulting solutions clearly evident to them and in no need of discussion.

*sigh* :)

Comment posted by real world
at 4/26/2007 11:53:00 AM
Was going to join the debate.But decided that since I come from the other side of academia, in other words I actually work in the real world.Whatever I would say would fall on deaf ears of the great minds here.I used to like your writings on yahoo 360°, your blogs here, well let me say they are well written even though you come up with your own words sometimes, but alas are better left to the world of academia than the real world.
In the real world, we try to solve our problems/differences not debate them ad nauseam.

Comment posted by Ron West
at 4/26/2007 11:21:00 AM
An interesting analysis. I'm damned impressed how Rosie is an absolute publcity magnet.

Rosie has the pulpit whenever she wants it. She doesn't need The View to go off on idiots like the Donald's Hair and Falafel Boy.

Comment posted by Michael-Ann
at 4/26/2007 8:35:00 AM

Top o' the morn to ya BC!

Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/26/2007 4:56:00 AM
Dr. Zen,

I don't knowyou, but I suspect you are male--and your critique, fromthe use of concepts such as "systematically undervalued," seems to come more or less from some kind ofeconomic materialistic analysis.

Although the space in the comment section is limited I did not notice any hint of gender analysis on your part, which is essential to any modern feminist critique.

Please understandthis blog is not framed in terms of an intellectual discourse nor do I use academic feminist concepts. It isa pop piece. If I was writing a true feminist critique I would not use the word "nice"--but would explore the victimization that causes women to position themselves in such a subjugated position that they would act "nice."

Of course, since I write from a post-modern perspective I would also talk aboutgender and other cultural factors which result in the behaviorwhich I characterized as "nice.

I do not say that a traditional feminist anaylsis is not useful in understanding the present disparity between men and women in the labor market or society as a whole. Indeed, my first comment in this section makes it clear that I do not consider subjugation from patriarchal sexism to have disappeared at all.

I favor the ERA, paid maternity leave, and government intervention to eliminate sexism and gender inequality tothe maximum extent possible.

However, rather than degrading women, as you imply, I am actually taking a positionthat not only is there inherent differences between genders, but that on a qualitative basis, many female characteristics are objectively superior to the mores of a patriarchal society.

Far from saying that women are of less inherent value because they do not wish their life consumed by an identity that is equated with the corporate structure, I argue that makes them better and superior-- you wish to twist an Amazonian conceptual analysis into sexism on my part.

Because I believe in individual choice, many women wish to take part in the masculine corporate world, despite its shallowness. If they do so, then they must take on the gender role called for.

The sad reality is that we live in a world dominated by economic structures that are oppressive ofboth genders. These are systems which were created my men and are run by men (or women who have chosen to adopt male values and characteristics). .

In order to survive, women often have to live within these inherently masculine structures and thrive, even though they might wish to live their lives totally outside of this foreign land.

I only advise that women who must exist and thrive in the patriarchial systemnot let themselves become victims.

Victimhood is the primary means of patriarchal subjugation--and that is Women's Studies 101.

These women must not do such things as resort to superior valuesby turning the other cheek, being nice or walking away from a fight--or they will be victimized and not succeed in the male devised and testosterone fueled system.


Comment posted by Dr Zen
at 4/26/2007 1:43:00 AM
"And that is because women have a much better perception of what is important in life, than do men."

This seems to me to be pure sexism. What's important in life is in any case a personal thing.

"I believe that world view is as much to blame for the persistence of gender inequality as is the Patriarchal hierarchy, the lack of an Equal Rights Amendment or paid maternity leave."

The patriarchy, lack of ERA and lack of paid maternity leave are outcomes. You've just said that the disease is more about what causes it than its symptoms. Which is true but so what? It's the symptoms that kill you. I'd agree that fixing them, long term, involves changing minds. But you still need to palliate the symptoms right now.

"Some of this is because women are way too nice--and afraid to demand that they be paid their worth."

This is absolute nonsense. I can't believe someone who claims to be interested in these issues would write that. Women are not underpaid because they are nice. They are underpaid because they are systematically undervalued.

Far from a feminist critique of Rosie O'Donnell's leaving, you've just indulged in a spot of woman-blaming. It is not women's fault that men treat them like shit, and they do not in principle have to do anything to make the men stop. Try to stop thinking it is or that they do.

Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/25/2007 10:04:00 PM
Good riddance to Rosie O'Donald.There was a time when she contributed to the debate.Lately, she's been way too far over the edge.To the point where it seemed she said things just to hear her own voice.Her ego was getting fatter than her ass.Maybe she could use the extra time to finally get that degree from Dickinson.

Comment posted by Xander Jones
at 4/25/2007 7:44:00 PM
Not upset at all. I just like to discuss. I do adore strong men as well, first and foremost my father and my sons; who have internal strength that I find uncommon in this world.

Moreover, respect is giving to individuals, not groups. I cannot say that I respect women as a group then I can say i respect men as a group. Both are comprised of amazing individuals as well as absolutely disgusting ones. I have a long list of people I respect, and believe it or not it doesn't discriminate by gender, race or national origins. But of course, you cannot know that because you don't know me. That is the thing we all agree upon here, individuals are not fully defined by the groups they are a part of.

I invite you to write a post for the blog of which I am a contributor for. We love good debate and have an policy of inviting all opinions.

Comment posted by Endymion
at 4/25/2007 6:29:00 PM
First, an apology to Becky C.You have an informative and entertaining blog.Thanks.Sorry to have "upset" one of your commentors.Second, do you adore strong men, Xander?See, there seems to be an imbalance.Here, little me respects strong women.Thanks for the analysis, Xander.

Comment posted by Xander Jones
at 4/25/2007 5:38:00 PM
See that is the kind of rhetoric that I don't find productive. I adore strong women. There are men that don't. But let us not situate the current state of affairs in terms of malice and evil. Corporate entities place profit above all, including sexist or racist preferences of corporate members. The fact that there are value differences between the sexes (which do not apply to all individuals but do apply to large enough groups that the stereotypes have found support in the corporate world) and that those differences lead to productivity differences across the averages of the groups. What is left out of the calculation is the indirect contribution of many women to the corporate world through the stabilization of the family. Individuals are not defined by their sexes, but corporate entities do not care individuals, they care about productivity of the entire group of employees. If their cost-benefit calculations do not include the contributions that women make outside of the workplace, then as a group, the value structures of men begin to look more profit friendly. That is the primary source of pay differences. There are exceptions, but as a group men do not fear women, we love them as partners and equals. Business only cares about gender insomuch as differing value structures lead to different productivity outputs.

Comment posted by Endymion
at 4/25/2007 5:19:00 PM
O'whatever his name is and Trump are those pathetic little kids who always ran to the trees first.They are also proof that the cream does not always rise to the top in capitalism.Scum floats too.Somewhere way back, a few sad men saw the awesome strength and ability of women and reacted in fear.Somehow this dug deep and ruined a good time for all.Women in the WNBA average around thirty to fifty thousand dollars which is an amount never seen in the NBA.A world without men is possible, a world without women would be unbearable.It probably wont ever change.Poor corporate decisions are made daily.People are programmed hourly into lives of quiet desperation.It is fear and fear alone.Fear of a future where health takes precedent over wealth, where everyone is counted in the wholeness, and unity makes us stronger, better rather than separate.

Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/25/2007 3:27:00 PM

However, don't get me wrong--there is still old fashioned sexism (and it is not just residual)--the sexist, lesophobic Donald Trump demonstrates it every time he opens his mouth.

But there is also dejure sexism, whenthere is the perception that ALL women are putting on priorities on values other than commitmentto the corporate structure and game.

Some women are choosing not to do that--and other women, have to choose not to. That perception that is reflected back and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy is as big a problem as the actual world view of women.


Comment posted by Xander Jones
at 4/25/2007 2:46:00 PM
You know you surprise me constantly. I agree with you 100% that big part of pay and placement differences among men and women does come out of a different set of values. According to a 2000 study by the department of labor women are more likely to leave work to care for a sick child, more likely to leave work earlier to meet familial obligations and less likely to sacrifice a personal life for corporate advancement. Then there is the ever present biological possibility of a voluntary period of effective disability via child birth.

One way that a small part of the income gap could be bridged is through government tax credits for home-care and child rearing.

I must admit it is refreshing to hear someone recognize the underlying cause of a situation rather than recycling the same old tired conspiracy arguments.

mardi 24 avril 2007

Debt Relief Through Mesothelioma, Lawyers & an Insurance Quote

a2If you are suffering from mesothelioma, and are waiting for the medical malpractice attorney to get you that big settlement, you may be trying to make money off of ads on your blog, in between the time you spend earning that online college degree, whether it be an onlinebachelors degree or online associate degree.

There is a theory floating around on the Internet that it is possible to use certain key words to make big money this way. I doubt it, but since I have the money grubbing soul of a criminal defense lawyeror a medical malpractice lawyer in Michigan, who specializes in mesothelioma, I am giving it a shot with this post.

After I get the big payoff, I plan to do some debt consolidation, including credit card consolidation. God knows, at the very least I could use some debt relief.

If you are wondering why mesothelioma theoretically gives out the biggest payoutof allthe keywords, it is because medical malpractice attorneys are some of the greediest bastards on the planet, surpassing eventhe fellows who sell term life insurance.

Of course if you do have mesothelioma or asbestos lung cancer, it is a good idea to get some term life insurance.But do it before you get a diagnosis, or you might need a criminal defense lawyer.

Now, if you decide to do this, you must understand there is an art to sprinkling your blog with phrases like wireless credit card, mortgage interest rate, stock trading online or credit card merchant account.

What a person must do is first get inexpensive web hosting (or even cheap web hosting), as well assome web content management software with an ecommerce web hosting option. If you have gotten that mesothelioma medical malpractice settlement, you can afford to consult with an actual Orange County Search Engine Optimization Specialist.

Just be careful who you hire, or you will need a Houston lawyer, or at least some kind of criminal defense lawyer.

So whether you are a web hosting reseller, a personal injury lawyer or just trying to sell California mortgages, please let me know what you think of the ads around here and I will let everyone know if I made enough to payoff my adjustable rate mortgage.

I would rather do it this way thanget sick with mesothelioma and have to hang with a Chicago medical malpractice attorney, or even an Orlando medical malpractice attorney, who are generallymuch nicer.

And does anyone know where I could score some cheap car insurance or at least get a term life insurance quote, or even an automobile insurance quote?

See ya--I'm off to do some college loan consolidation.
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Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/26/2007 5:21:00 AM
I have noticed that actually this article has been quite successful, at least in getting the ad*en*e ads which are supposedly the highest paying. I will keep following it and see how it does in search engine placement. I think that would be key to driving the right traffic to the ads.

But, at least, for now, it appears to have been written in a manner that the G**gle algor*thm did not recognize as being ads*n*e whoring or key word spamming.


Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/25/2007 10:10:00 PM
Ron Motley sucks the life and wallet out of meso patients. That's even before he lets them see Christine Oliver.Maybe those lung cancer people should have put down their cigarettes before they started working with Johns-Manville pipe coverings or Raybestos-Manhattan brakes linings.Did you know that most of the airborne dust at the World Trade Centers came from sprayed asbestos fireproofing?

Good lord someone stop me before I help Becky become an SEO whore.Or, as Don Imus would say:a nappy headed ho.


Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/25/2007 11:47:00 AM
I love it when SEO guys and other blogging and Internet pundits get a bit high and mighty and put down people who do such terrible things as engage in "link spamming"--as though if you do such things in a more clever and cunning manner it is actually a very good thing--though, of course, the material is equally useless to the reader.


Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/25/2007 10:21:00 AM
you can make money doing that... but not link spamming your site... Plus adsense wont pay the bills

Comment posted by Dave
at 4/25/2007 8:03:00 AM
Your Google ads here were "Asbestos" and "asbestos lawyer."

Comment posted by lyndonmaxwell
at 4/25/2007 5:55:00 AM
So how's it going so far with the debt relief? Any progress?:D

Iranian Skin Alert

a2 With the coming of Spring we all start to shed a few clothes, and pull out summer blouses and shorts.

Iranian women are no different. So the Imams know this is the very time when there needs to be a crackdown on female skin. That means making sure all women are wearing the legally mandated veil.

At least three hundred women have been arrested recently for not covering up. Its not just the veil that is the problem. Some were arrested for wearing tight overcoats and having hair sticking out from under their head covering,

There was a protest at Tehran Polytechnic University.

A group of 700 female students organized a rally on campus and signed a letter to the dean calling the new rules "an offense to the dignity of women" and accusing him of "wanting to extend to academia the sexual apartheid imposed by the government on Iranian society."

It is now expected these ladies will be expelled from the University.

Of course, the veil is not the biggest problem women face in Iran. Indeed, many do consider it a religious obligation. And, though not my taste, and I do believe the whole thing is more a woman's issue rather than religious, this sort of thing can be kinda trendy:


In Iran women legally have half the value of a man. It is almost impossible for them to get a divorce, though a guy can dump them with ease. They can't leave the country without their husband's permission. They are prohibited from certain occupations. Then there are the occasional whippings and stonings.

And, the stinky cologne the guys wear, might be a problem as well.
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Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/26/2007 7:36:00 AM
I would be interested to see some discussion of the Warren Jeffs-style LDS fundamentalist treatment of women who are also US citizens.

Comment posted by Dr Zen
at 4/26/2007 1:53:00 AM
It's not much to do with religion. Plenty of Islamic countries don't mandate veils.

Islam has plenty of problems with women's issues. It's views on women were enlightened in 800 but times have changed, and it hasn't changed with them. A problem that it faces is that the Qur'an is taken to be timeless and perfect. That's really going to be hard to surmount.

Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/25/2007 10:13:00 PM
The other anon poster must never have met a woman from Iran.I have met a number of them."Beautiful" is not the first word I'd use to describe them.And they need the same strong body spray the Iranian men use.

Comment posted by Becky C.
at 4/25/2007 3:57:00 PM
Hellfire, yes it is in this sense:
Islam is one of the patriarchal religions. And when it reaches a fundamentalist level, just like with Christianity and Judaism, an inordinate emphasis is put upon sex and gender.

However, I believe, as has been demonstrated in Christianity, it is possible to remove or at least lessen the patriarchal/sexist aspects and still retain the core of the religion--it is not essential to the core beliefs or faith.

There is no reason to think that Islam is different.


Comment posted by Hellfireblogs
at 4/25/2007 2:39:00 PM
But isn't the issue both a woman's issue and a religious issue? After all it is the religion itself that demands that women be treated as half (or in reality one forth) of a man in legal respects, and current Islamic interpretations of Islam, especailly by the Mullahs who run Iran, is that women need to be covered because they will lead men to sin.
Without a reformation of Islam, the woman's issues can never be addressed properly, the problem is there isn't a Martin abu Luther out there to start one.

Comment posted by Anonymous
at 4/25/2007 12:43:00 PM
I'll bet that some of the world's most beautiful women are locked down in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran. Too bad.